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ravan ([personal profile] ravan) wrote2007-05-31 10:08 pm
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IANAL

However, there are a few legal issues here that bug me:

1) If you suspect a crime is or has been committed, don't delete a journal, call the cops!!
2) If you accuse someone publicly of criminal behavior, but can't/don't/won't back it up with evidence and reporting it to the authorities, you could be committing libel and defamation.
3) Deleting journals and communities on the basis of keywords in interests is pretty slipshod.
4) Fiction, fantasy, or discussion of lusts and thoughts is not the same as doing them, even under the current mess of US Law. Really.
5) Isn't breaking/violating your own process as described in your ToS a breach of contract??
6) Trying to claim listed "interests" mean that a person "likes" or "advocates" them would probably get laughed out of court, IMO.
7) As I understand it, a person's content is theirs, and a hosting service is shielded by the "common carrier" provisions of the law *if* they do not exercise editorial control over it. Deleting "objectionable", but not illegal, content could be construed as exercising editorial control.

Again, IANAL, nor do I play one on TV.

I need to have defined for me what rights I have under my permanent membership contract with LJ. If they can blithely change their ToS on the fly about this stuff, what else can they do, without me having any recourse other than abandoning my journal (and money)? Will I log in one day to a page full of ads for fundie churches, my journal redacted of all content not fit for sheltered 5 year olds??
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[identity profile] siliconshaman.livejournal.com 2007-06-01 07:43 am (UTC)(link)
I have a suggestion of what to do on my blog. We, the users, buy out the company. 10 million or so users, each contributing $25 is 250million... that'd be enough.

Hard for them to fuck it up against our wishes when we own them, literally.

[identity profile] sunfell.livejournal.com 2007-06-01 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Your icon is hilarious.

[identity profile] ravan.livejournal.com 2007-06-01 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem is that only about 1 million are active users, and fewer are paid users. So we'd have to up the buy-in by a factor of 10 to 20. Yeah, I could swing $250 - $500, but most couldn't.

[identity profile] je-regret-riens.livejournal.com 2007-06-02 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
I can't, but I'd take out a LOAN to do it.

[identity profile] je-regret-riens.livejournal.com 2007-06-02 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks. :)

[identity profile] ka-crow.livejournal.com 2007-06-01 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I've re-buggered my interests to include things like "sin," "pain," "depravity," "jailbait," "perversion," "bloodlust," etc. Of course, as I explain in the "bio" section, every single one of them is a BPAL perfume. I would LOVE to see them come after me for THAT.

[identity profile] jilara.livejournal.com 2007-06-02 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
The minute I saw that list, I KNEW you were a BPAL lover! Have you heard the one about not being able to order Absinthe on PayPal because it thinks the scent is an alcoholic beverage?

[identity profile] ka-crow.livejournal.com 2007-06-02 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
But the musk of an enraged orangutan is, for some reason, okay for members of the general public to own? You can buy a BRAIN CANISTER (one of my top ten scents, btw) without a license?

[identity profile] ravan.livejournal.com 2007-06-02 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
[livejournal.com profile] jilara, meet [livejournal.com profile] ka_crow. You might find other things in common...

[identity profile] ragnar21583.livejournal.com 2007-06-02 10:12 am (UTC)(link)
Hah! Thats pretty good.

I went and changed my interest to the best '4 letter, 50-character or less' phrase on how this sucks. Anything more and it wouldn't take.

I ended up with
Interests: 1: watching lj censor pathetically.

[identity profile] ka-crow.livejournal.com 2007-06-02 01:11 pm (UTC)(link)
There's always the good old "not doing anything wrong" that is a fine hobby that my father taught me to enjoy. (Shit, I sound like Hemingway.) You could have:

not doing anything wrong
being harmless
wording interests carefully
tiptoeing around censors
rewriting my profile
not talking about torture

Hell, the whole current pResidential administration is very interested in that last one.
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[personal profile] mdlbear 2007-06-01 03:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I put "censorship" and "la Marseillaise" in my interests. The latter could easily be construed as a death threat...

[identity profile] je-regret-riens.livejournal.com 2007-06-02 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
I am so intrigued by this, but I don't get it. :( Would you care to explain?
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[personal profile] mdlbear 2007-06-02 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
The chorus of "La Marseillaise" (which is the national anthem of France, BTW) can be translated:

To arms citizens
Form your battalions
March, march
Let impure blood
Water our furrows

which is clearly a death threat against my enemies, right?

[identity profile] je-regret-riens.livejournal.com 2007-06-02 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
Awesomeness. ♥

[identity profile] ragnar21583.livejournal.com 2007-06-02 10:14 am (UTC)(link)
It could be-- but from the same people that just randomly suspended or deleted journals based on the surface value of thier interests...

I don't think they'd get it. :)

I don't think they'd get anything shy of "Watching LJ Burn" as an interest for that matter.

[identity profile] rpangel.livejournal.com 2007-06-01 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Win!

[identity profile] ragnar21583.livejournal.com 2007-06-02 10:16 am (UTC)(link)
Good points. I thinks this whole thing is BS too. You should consider tossing some of that on panGloss (UK-based cyberlaw blog by Lilian Edwards. Specialising in online privacy and security law, cybercrime, online intermediary law).

They have something about it at:
http://blogscript.blogspot.com/2007/05/live-journal-attacked-by-inocents.html

[identity profile] ravenpan.livejournal.com 2007-06-04 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I've wandered over here via a link you left in a comment left to one of the recent news posts....

I too have a permanent account - if you find out anything we permanent members can do to protect ourselves, please let me know? - I won't be on par with what I've paid for for another few years yet, I think - and that just isn't fair.
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