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ravan ([personal profile] ravan) wrote2005-12-11 08:43 pm
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Since when...

... does the fact that's it's a family member that I disagree with mean that I mustn't make it public?
... does the fact that I have a different religion and lifestyle mean I must be silent about it, and not object when it is attacked?
... does the fact that I am in a minority mean that I must be humble and quiet about it, while a different strident minority of a majority religion is allowed to spend milllions pushing their views into the public sphere?
... is wanting equal treatment under the law "special rights"?
... does objecting to false and ignorant assertions by someone constitute a "vicious personal attack"?

Get this: If my kinsman can blog about the "evils" of homosexuality, gay marriage, abortion, anti-war sentiment, removing "under god" from the pledge, ad nauseum, I can (and will) blog about what I find wrong with his spew, and how disappointed I am that he advocates such hurtful and mean spirited views.

I don't ask anyone to bless it. After all, he did not ask my permission to write his screeds against me and my friends. Why should I forbear in writing against it? Since when do I owe him any more (or less) courtesy and tolerance in my writings than he shows for me and mine? After all, doesn't everyone like to be labelled as mentally ill by their own kin? (Yes, he's one of those.) Would you be "tolerant" of someone who wanted to treat you like you were insane because you have a different worldview and lifestyle? I think not.

Gods, I am disappointed and disgusted. Happy holidays. My own family supports institutionalized hatred and subjugation of me and mine, and then viciously criticizes me and tries to guilt trip me for objecting. Can't you feel the love??

[identity profile] jemyl.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 12:54 pm (UTC)(link)
No one is objecting to you personally or to your eloquent comments in your brother-in-law's blog. The personal attack on him, his family and their lifestyle on Another Ravan Perch and on lj was vicious and mean spirited. I will always object to such intolerance of another's lifestyle and religion.

Why can't you show your family the same tolerance and acceptance that we have ALWAYS shown you and yours? How long must I put forth love and acceptance of you, your views and your lifestyle to get back even an acknowledgement that I love you? You have ripped your family up one side and down the other several times on here over the past years. We don't do the same to you. The only time you have been called on your shit is this time and not by your brother-in-law or your sister. Should we sit idly by while you tear apart our family lifestyle and religious beliefs? We don't do that to you.

Your comments in your brother-in-laws blog were eloquent. Your spew on here and on Another Ravan Perch were not. What kind of belief system do you embrace that says you are to spew forth personal attacks and hatred as a way to show others the rightness of your views?

Can I feel the love? Hell no! I haven't felt it from you for the past twenty years or so. Still, I love you and think you are a terrific person, most of the time and, yes, I will continue to call you on your shit.

For the record, I support gay rights, believe that you are a spiritual being and accept you as being a valuable person, not insane, and in love with a same sex partner. Oh, so does the rest of the family, by the way.

[identity profile] ravan.livejournal.com 2005-12-12 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
What was personal about that? I expressed my sadness and disappointment that he was a religious reich wing nut, and raising his children in that environment and mindset. My parents were upset with me when I had begun to participate in that sort of mindset as a teen, why is it good for my sister's kids now?

Why is it spew when I express my horror that someone I love, a member of my own family, is a leiutenant is their little "culture" war against people who just want to have the freedom to live and let live?? Am I not allowed to be horrified and disgusted?

For the record, I support gay rights, believe that you are a spiritual being and accept you as being a valuable person, not insane, and in love with a same sex partner. Oh, so does the rest of the family, by the way.

Not C & S. They both write, in that blog, against homosexuals, gay rights, and some imaginary "radical gay agenda". If they don't belief what they write, they are hypocrites pandering to a power bloc, if they do, they are a different kind of hypocrit.

[identity profile] jemyl.livejournal.com 2005-12-13 08:27 am (UTC)(link)
Your family is bigger than C&S, their kids and me. There is a difference between a teen and an adult. The adult SHOULD be able to think and decide more freely. I do not agree with some of your sister's ideas, especially where gay rights are concerned. Totally alienating them with a personal attack, even just expressing your horror, will not get you what you want. It will be more likely to galvanize their feelings than to open their minds to change. See Weofogthignen's comment below with which I agree. Whatever happens, I love you.

[identity profile] mlion.livejournal.com 2005-12-13 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
What kind of belief system do you embrace that says you are to spew forth personal attacks and hatred as a way to show others the rightness of your views?

In case you hadn't yet noticed, this is her journal, and she's welcome to say any damn thing she pleases, about any damn thing she pleases, including her family.

[identity profile] jemyl.livejournal.com 2005-12-13 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
I totally agree. If her purpose, as stated, is to change minds, however, spew is counterproductive.

[identity profile] redsonja.livejournal.com 2005-12-13 02:43 pm (UTC)(link)
So what's your excuse? :D

[identity profile] jemyl.livejournal.com 2005-12-13 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm like my daughter? Sometimes I can't see the woods for the trees either? No sense being dumb unless you show it? It's part of the anger part of the grieving process and I would have jumped at anything? Take your pick.