ravan: by ravan (stormclouds)
ravan ([personal profile] ravan) wrote2005-04-20 10:16 am

Fury!

So, one of the people I happen to like and respect has decided that [livejournal.com profile] childfree is full of sick people. To the view of them and their buddies, all CF people are the same, and most of them are psychologically deviant in some way.

I've seen more stereotyping of the childfree (and [livejournal.com profile] childfree) in the last two hours than I usually encounter in two years. "Born at 21, never a child", "frozen at 14", "bigotry and self-involvement", "like the pro-ana communities: a support group for sick people who wish to stay sick", "people who hate children hate themselves", ad nauseum. By people who are supposedly tolerant of different lifestyles! Well, I can see that tolerance only happens when it's their little deviation from the "american dream" life script, not mine.

I don't dislike parents, or their kids. However, I can't stand brats, screamers, and kids who trash or foul their surroundings. I didn't even like most kids when I was one! But I guess that makes me some sort of twisted fuck who is "sick and wants to stay sick". Oh, gee, thanks for the enlightening idea. I guess I'll go get knocked up so I can be considered "normal" and "healthy".

I guess criticising poor parenting by the stupid is now "making fun of the disabled", and not offering some twit who spouts nothing but screwed up rationalizations "help" means I lack "empathy, mercy, and basic human decency". It's a bad thing to point out when other people are damaging their kids, and criticize it publically. I guess it might hurt their widdle self esteem. But it's ok to slam and denigrate people who've chosen not to have children, huh? They're just sick people who wish to remain sick, so it's OK to insult and offend them!

Thanks a lot - I guess when the rubber meets the road, tolerance for others and their choices is really a pipe dream, huh?

Fuck that.

Edit: and now the bingo starts "you're not a parent, you don't know".

Double fuck that.

Edit: And now the person has unfriended me, and I can't read the entry in question, or respond to the slams and smears. Nevermind that I was trying my best to be polite - after all, it was someone elses journal. That's why I pulled my rant into my journal, trying to get the heat out of theirs.

I guess I'm not part of the right oppressed minority, so I don't have to be tolerated. The lesson: it's OK to criticize someone, make fun of someone, call them "sick" and "bigoted" and every other form of insult, deride their lifestyle as selfish and self-centered and wrong, as long as their "difference" is chosing not to have children. Gay, fine; bi, fine; tranny, fine; disabled, fine; autistic, fine; pagan, fine; asexual, fine; christian, fine; atheist, fine; but never, never, never, NEVER admit to being childFREE, as opposed to childLESS, and daring to have an opinion on another random person's sacred and inviolate excuse for parenting - since if you aren't a parent, you can't possibly know *anything* about kids.

Well, fuck you - you know who you are.

[identity profile] ravan.livejournal.com 2005-04-25 03:54 am (UTC)(link)
Gma wants to know if you are still coming for her birthday in July.

Yes. I'm trying to figure the best dates and stuff.

[identity profile] jemyl.livejournal.com 2005-04-25 05:33 am (UTC)(link)
Don't know if you have them out there, but Spirit Airlines had really good fares to Chitown when I went. When you come, consider flying into Orlando as sometimes you can get really cheap non-stops into there. Mickeyworld and Universed are big draws. Both Orlando and Jax as well as Daytona are about an hour an a half or so drive, about 100 miles or so and with the van now I can take Bill with me so can pick up at other than Gainesville. I just can't park for long periods unless I want to push a wheelchair all over the place LOL. It is possible, but not so much fun.

[identity profile] ravan.livejournal.com 2005-04-26 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
I'd figured to rent a car, so you wouldn't have to do pickup and drop off stuff. I've been looking at fares into GNV and JAX.

Pushing a wheelchair sux, especially when you try to do it with 1 hand for someone else. But congrats on getting the van.

BTW, where do the brat and co crash when they come down there? I know you can't fit them all in either house! Are they coming down too, and if they are, are they driving or flying?

[identity profile] jemyl.livejournal.com 2005-04-26 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
Boo and company have never stayed other than before your niece and nephews. Then they stayed atGmas, which is where you can stay this time. She has both a sleeper sofa and another single ottoman bed. I also have a queen cot and queen aerobed. Boo and company have not discussed coming down for that. Depends on vacations and who knows with them. They usually stay at a motel as they have always planned the trips in conjunction with a coference for him. Other time we met them in Ashville and we stayed at a motel that time.

Renting a car or not is up to you. I am willing to pick you up. Do consider Orlando too and also Daytona Beach airports. I'd go with the cheapest that is also nonstop as the layover in Atlanta or wherever is a bummer. Nonstop also means less chance of lost luggage. On my Chicago trip the difference between Orlando nonstop and Gainesville with one or more stops was over $100! Some lines insist on a Saturday stay over and some don't.

[identity profile] ravan.livejournal.com 2005-04-26 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
A rental car means I can do shopping runs for you and Gma. Remember, I can't drive a stick...

See the post(s) labelled "Logistics" for more info and mulling.

BTW, the brat better come down for it.

[identity profile] jemyl.livejournal.com 2005-04-27 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
The van, Big Blue Monster, is the same size E250 XLT, with a 127 wheelbase, just like old Blueberry. It is even san airconditioning ans has the little vent windows. LOL. It also has power steering and brakes. It currently passes everything but a gas station so, while I have no problem with your driving it, I am not sure it would be cheaper than a rental! LOL I do understand your need for freedom to go if you wish. I would do the same visiting you, as you know. We both love our freedom and to drive.