*sigh*

[ravan]

I read an article today about the election, and the statistical odds of bush winning the actual count without fraud given the exit polls. You have a better chance of winning the fucking lottery. The mainstream press is ignoring it, the rethuglicans are saying it's just 'sour grapes'. Fuck.

We have now had three elections (200, 2002, 2004) with mounting evidence of major fraud and/or malfeasance by election officials and election equipment vendors, and only the "conspiracy theorists" and "sore loser liberals" give a damn?? What the fuck is happening in my country? Why can't any of us say or do anything to fix this shit? Why are they getting away with it? Why can't I do anything to stop it?

This shit is seriously scaring the crap out of me. I can't ignore it, or crawl into some nice safe little consumer fantasy like so many others. It really bothers me, because I care, about real freedom, the constitution, and the future.

At least Bin Laden and his band of thugs are blatant, and do shit that we can recognize as an attack and deal with the damage. But the erosion of the basic principals of our nation from within, without any meaningful protest, makes your garden variety terrorist acts seem almost benign.

I am beginning to believe that 9/11 was allowed to happen (maybe even encouraged) by the rethuglicans, for political gain. I guess I've joined the tinfoil hat brigade. Or at least the tinfoil lined passport case brigade...

Comments

[redsonja.livejournal.com]

The problem is that these people are also fear-mongers. They are holding the United States hostage. They are not going to let go of the power they've stolen through peaceful means. It's gone too far for that.

And nobody wants to be the first one to fire the first shots of revolt. Part of the people who would object to this don't dare take the risk of being labelled terrorists, the ignorant and clueless just don't care and are kept opiated by their chosen media, and the third group are the ones benefiting from these atrocities so they don't care either.

Brave individuals are standing up and trying to combat the situation in legal and peaceful ways, but this often comes at the sacrifice of a career or (perhaps in more lawless and remote places such as a combat theater where it can be gotten away with) a life.

The situation WILL get worse if it is not addressed because we are not dealing with sane people here and their insatiable greed and lack of compassion has already been proven to know no bounds. Where are our heroes? Where are our true patriots? Where are our educated voices of reason?

[raindrops.livejournal.com]

I am beginning to believe that 9/11 was allowed to happen (maybe even encouraged) by the rethuglicans, for political gain.

Allowed or encouraged? That's a stretch. Capitalized upon to the very last heartstring that could be tightened and public pursestring that could be loosened? Absolutely.

The state must needs turn upon its own population in tandem with its lashing out against the world, to keep them all in line. Fear is worth more than gold.

[I prefer silver, meself]

[jemyl.livejournal.com]

First of all exit polls are notorious for being wrong throughout history. That being said, I think it is also prudent to look at a few other skews that could affect your thinking.

You are highly intelligent. The intelligensia have always probed all of the possibilities for good and evil in their leaders. It is easy for them to find things wrong and focus on them. Most of the populace, however, does not have that intelligence so do not see the wrongs.

You live in California. Believe it or not, California and New York are not like the rest of the country. Those two states tend to be light years ahead of the rest of the country in thought processes. Believe it or not, the rest of the country actually voted for Bush.

The main media are not pro-Bush. All of the reporting you see and hear on radio and TV is biased and most of the bias is against President Bush and his policies.

The net is faster to spread whatever is said or found than is any other form of communication. There is also much that is spread as fact which is, in actuality either not factual or is factual and woefully incomplete. You were taught from a young age not to believe everything your read or hear. Not everyone does this and things get spread which have not been checked out. People believe them because that is what they want to believe.

Our election process has always had some flaws and some fraud. It likely always will. What is, however, is that it is still the best in the world and over time does balance out.

That balancing out is also true of Presidencies and policies. Over time, things do balance out and good stuff does get done.

Bush is going to try to do the things he thinks need to be done both domestically and internationally. That is why we have a Congress. The system of checks and balances does work.

What I also see happening is that your generation has not had to deal with how this country is when we are at war for a long period of time. The gulf war was so short and far away, as have been all of our other policing actions, that no changes occured here at home. With Iraq and post 9-11 our nation has become one at war with all of the limitations on our freedoms that such has always meant. Like it? Hell no! Yet I know that most of it is necessary for a while. I also have to be watchful that I work to elect people who will make sure that those limitaions are there for as short a time as possible.

That, I truly believe, is your answer too. Work to get and keep people elected who believe as you do. When they get elected, continue to support them and keep the dialog channels open. When they lose, inflict your views and concerns on those who did get elected. That is what you can and must do. Believe it or not, that is how changes get made, even in elections.

OH, BTW, I was just watching Bush on TV. He is going to Europe. Isn't that dangerous to his health, considering how much Europeans are said to hate him?

[weofodthignen]

Well, talk to Noil some time and curl your hair. Myself, I am just trying not to cry.

M

I have to respectfully disagree...

[gentlemanj.livejournal.com]

First, the terrorists are not benign by comparison with anybody, which may become obvious the first time a nuke-laden tugboat goes off next to a major port city--this is my worst nightmare scenario--and while I certainly did not vote for Bush, I think the Democrats are rapidly becoming completely irrelevant.

If Kerry is the best they could come up with, they are doomed. You won't need election fraud. The Democrats are utterly incapable of winning the White House, and have lost control of Congress and the Supreme Court. In 2008, I expect Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic challenger. According to my crystal ball, Condi Rice will win easily.

The Democrats are not in any way, shape or form what the American people who don't live in New York or California want to see leading them. Wonder why? Here's a quick list:
1)The Democrats are for the War, so anyone looking to oppose the War have to vote elsewhere--preferably Libertarian. Kerry wanted to add 40,000 troops to Iraq...um, where is he going to get them? I assume a draft. Yeah, that should be popular...
2)The D.'s are incapable of keeping a straight face when talking about people who are religious(this usually means Christian). I think their labelling 85% of Americans Neanderthals and Yahoos will not win them the Oval Office for a long, long time.
3)They are always for more taxes, bigger government, more regulations, and less freedom. They just lost me there...

The list could go on, but you get the idea. Until they stop playing up to internationalist celebrity elites, they will continue to sink like a stone. C'est la guerre!